CALVIN, ARMINIAN, BULTMANN, SERVETUS ON TRINITY AND "ABOBRINHAS."

CALVIN, ARMINIAN, BULTMANN, SERVETUS ON TRINITY AND  "ABOBRINHAS."

"God is neither trinity nor triune. GOD IS ONE! Deuteronomy 6:4 says: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)! Attention follows! Detox your reformed minds and read well!!There are not three then, "these three ARE ONE!" Ah! Before you tag me! I am not a Unitarian, neither a Unicist nor a Trinitarian!" Josimar Salum 😂😂😂

CALVIN - I feel like you post things just to get a reaction 😑

SERVETUS - Is this not a good intention! Creeds are not inspired by God like the Scriptures! Are they? Think! Think! Thinking! 😀😀

CALVIN - No one has even brought up a Creed. The doctrine of the trinity is a universal Christian belief, not just a reformed one. You just said "these three". Oops that's a trinity. It's like you say you believe in doctrines themselves but once a name is placed on the doctrine, you deny the title. I don't understand your reason for denying the doctrine of the trinity which clearly states that the three persons of God, the father son and spirit, are one.

SERVETUS - Explain the doctrine of the trinity so I can see if what you are saying it is correct that I am denying the trinity doctrine indeed! If they are one, then ultimately are they three indeed?

CALVIN - Do you believe that God is three persons, that is, the father son and spirit? Each are address and worshipped as God?

SERVETUS - I believe the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit! I believe “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.”

Ephesians 4:4, 6 NIV

http://bible.com/111/eph.4.4,6.niv"

I do believe “For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.”

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NIV

http://bible.com/111/1co.8.5-6.niv

I do believe, "There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”

1 Corinthians 12:4-6, 12-13 NIV

http://bible.com/111/1co.12.4-6,12-13.niv

If there are three who testify, then ultimately are they three indeed, or ONE!!

Please answer me! Then I have to go back to my mission! 😀😀

CALVIN - You are literally affirming the trinitarian doctrine: that though God is three distinct person, He is ONE immutable being!

SERVETUS - Brother, you are saying it! You know very well doctrines and titles, you label well!

ARMINIAN - Show time! 

My friend: are you saying that God is ONE person? As in the Father became the Son than the Son became the Holy Spirit?

SERVETUS - My friend Arminian; you have asked: are you saying that God is ONE person? As in the Father became the Son than the Son became the Holy Spirit? This is what HAVE said!

GOD IS ONE! Deuteronomy 6:4 says: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”

God is ONE! 

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)! Attention follows! Detox your reformed minds and read well!! Ultimately There are not three then, "these three ARE ONE!" Ah! Before you tag me again! I am not a Unitarian, neither a Unicist nor a Trinitarian!" Josimar Salum 😂😂😂

ARMINIAN  - Ok this is how we need the conversation to go. If one of us answers a question let us answer it with yes or no and than give our explanation with our scripture proofs because one thing I don't want is a conversation where one person is skipping over questions by answering with other questions. Let be very clear and very direct in our responses.

SERVETUS - Calvin has responded to me with questions! I do respond very clear! 

ARMINIAN - I'm assuming you believe in Modalism?

SERVETUS - No, I don't believe in Modalism!

ARMINIAN - Just making sure, a lot of people don't on this topic. I wasn't picking on you brother, just clarifying.

SERVETUS - I am relieved, brother ARMINIAN!

BULTMANN - Do you believe that Jesus is God that the father is God and the Holy Spirit is God?

SERVETUS -Yes indeed! No doubt!

ARMINIAN - Ok SERVETUS! so what do u believe? How is God 1? See as Trinitarians believe God is 1 also but not 1 in person. 1 in Unity, 1 in essence, 1 in being. So we agree He is One but the question is One What? You know what we mean as One, so what do you mean by God being One brother!

SERVETUS -I mean GOD IS ECHAD. Deuteronomy 6:4 says: YAWH IS EXCHAD! ONE!

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

John 1:1, 14 NIV

http://bible.com/111/jhn.1.1,14.niv

I BELIEVE (please, I am saying I BELIEVE!) THE WORD, GOD BECAME FLESH!

BULTMANN - Ok do you believe that Jesus in the garden was speaking to the father? 

SERVETUS - Was Jesus in the Garden? I think “He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”

John 1:2-5 NIV

http://bible.com/111/jhn.1.2-5.niv

BULTMANN - And who was Jesus talking to here 

“When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”

John 17:1-3 ESV

http://bible.com/59/jhn.17.1-3.esv

Jesus clearly identifies him separate from the father and shows that the father sent the son!

SERVETUS - Yes, indeed! BULTMAN, what is it your point? I just asked in my statement DON'T tag me!!!! 😳😳😳😳 "God is neither trinity nor triune. GOD IS ONE! Deuteronomy 6:4 says: “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)! Attention follows! Detox your reformed minds and read well!!There are not three then, "these three ARE ONE!" Ah! Before you tag me again! I am not a Unitarian, neither a Unicist nor a Trinitarian!" 

BULTMANN - The son became flesh. Not the father nor the son. Jesus spoke with God the father and spoke about the Holy Spirit Indwelling us not Jesus as separate persons. Yes three persons in one Being.

Just like how TWO people become ONE flesh. And just like in Genesis God said let us make man in OUR image and in OUR likeness! Yea the same word is used for the two shall be one flash the word ECHAD.

SERVETUS - BULTMANN, You have said the son became flesh Not the father nor the son. What do you mean?

(SILENCE)

SERVETUS -  Am I going to be kicked out! Have you, any of you prepared already a stake for me? Is it tou, CALVIN?

(MORE SILENCE)

SERVETUS : Arminian said before Show Time! Ok! Then Show time is over! Don't discuss with me! 😂😂😂😂😂At least today! It is Sunday morning, 11 AM, you should be in church! 

Read carefully! This I believe: 

I believe the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit! I believe “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.”

Ephesians 4:4, 6 NIV

http://bible.com/111/eph.4.4,6.niv"

I do believe “For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.”

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 NIV

http://bible.com/111/1co.8.5-6.niv

I do believe, "There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.”

1 Corinthians 12:4-6, 12-13 NIV

http://bible.com/111/1co.12.4-6,12-13.niv

Now I will let you dear CALVIN and ARMINIAN, my two unknown friends TO EXPLAIN GOD! BULTMANN, please, rest well! As you don't preach anymore! Long live the Kerigma!

The Truth and many new truths!

Josimar Salum

I stated on Facebook: “God bless us with the courage to give up all the myths that were being transmitted to us from one generation to another and all the idols that were petrified as "truth" but they are not”

A beloved friend replied to me:

"One must be careful with "new truths" if there is such a thing over the past two thousand years. There is nothing new under the sun."

Faith in our Lord Jesus is based in our relationship with Him alone and not as a sub product of somebody else faith and knowledge.

It is impossible to downsize Jesus to a simply personage of history. He is seated at the right hand of the Father, alive and well, today!

The Scriptures are inspired by God, all of them, but not all Scriptures are the Word of God. Jesus Christ Himself, He is the Word of God.

The Word was before the Scriptures. Abraham had no access to any written Scriptures, however He believed and followed the Word of God.

We study the Scriptures diligently because we think that in them we have eternal life. The truth is we don’t have eternal life in the Scriptures. We have eternal life only in Jesus and the very Scriptures only testify about Him. (John 5:39)

If I do need Martin Luther, Calvin, Zwingli and others to tell me what is the “truth” (a)I don't need the Holy Spirit who guides me to the Truth; (b)I don't need the Scriptures who testifies exclusively about Jesus and (c)I don't need even Jesus Himself.

Thank God Martin Luther didn't think that 1500 years had all “truths uncovered" so it would not be necessary for him to find "new truths", like salvation by faith, by grace, etc.

One who says the Scriptures is the only source of Faith and Truth should not contradict himself following the theological traditions of men, the tradition of the church and the confessions of faith.

Any theological truth is a system of conveniences. A uniformity of beliefs is meant to maintain a specific group bound as a denomination, a network or a religion cult.

I am not afraid of apostasy as the Holy Spirit is enough to guide me into Truth.

I am not afraid of finding that I have been in many instances so wrong in so many things that I used to carry dearly as Christian sacred truths.

The truth is that there are no truths. There are no old truths. There are no new truths. Jesus said: “I am the Truth.” Therefore the Truth is eternal and attempting to hold the Truth into the “Chronós” is a lost battle.

Theologians always failed as they attempted to crystallize the Truth.

"The Confessions of Faith are the reduction of God’s Word." (José Rego do Nascimento)

The creeds are enclosures of human attempt to “jail” the Word of God. Both are miserable human belief boxes. I have no confession of Faith neither I uphold any Creeds.

Jesus Christ is my Confession of Faith. Jesus Christ is my Creed.

Today as it has been before, Christian Denominations have proved so distant of the Word of God that as result they have been dividing and multiplying since The Protestant Reformation” .

And all of them were born because they found "new truths" in this unending frenzy that suits the desires of religion politicians who divide Christians not because of doctrinal issues but for personal interests. Calvin, Martin Luther and all others had their own.

I want to know nothing but the Truth, the Person of Jesus who lives in Me.

During these 2000 years since the apostles have died many heresies were introduced, and even today Christian denominations are full of heresies.

The main problem for preachers related to the Truth is that the sources of their study have been all along the books of theologians on their shelves, the books they read every day with all kinds of teachings, their own perceptions catalyzed by their experiences in their seminaries, churches and in the environment they have grown within and their own conveniences to maintain their "status quo".

Probably more than 80% of what we have as dearly as truth are second handed interpretations of somebody else and not what we ourselves have concluded as Truth ministered by the Holy Spirit as result of our own investigation of the Scriptures.

The main question is not whether we are going to find new truths after two thousand years after the apostles of Christ died.

Our life with Jesus is dependant upon if we humbly comes back to the Scriptures, if we will repent of our heresies and go back exclusively to the Word of God.

There is no such thing at all of finding new truths. There is just the Truth of the the Scriptures and hidden after thousands of years of apostasy.

The Truth, the Word! ““The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim:

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”

For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile — the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in?

And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard?

And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?

And how can anyone preach unless they are sent?

As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”, the Good news of the Kingdom, "The Lord Reigns!"